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One Last Workday This Week...

What a week. With my poor DH down with diverticulitis and, after beginning to heal from that, coming down with the beginnings of the flu, it's been unbelievable stressful and I've had to work a six-day week. On the writing front, I finished and turned in a LOTR Community story, I'm almost finished with my SV story, and I did another drabble - this time to address the word "borrow". My first attempt was dismal and I pulled it the next day. My second attempt moved it's scope over to one of my more familiar playgrounds - Ost-in-Edhel and the admittance of Annatar into the Gwaith-i-Mirdain. This version I was pleased with and put it up for concrit. Changes suggested were looked at and, if I felt they were consistent with my inner view of the scene, were incorporated.

When an author, a student writing a paper for his fourth-grade class or a professional author with many books on the shelves bearing her name, constructs a scene, s/he develops a mental image of what is being written. In many cases the author lives the work, walks through the rooms, looks at the content on tables, and sees the layout of the buildings. Each author's vision is unique. Unless they are writing a purely factual text, everything is subject to interpretation. In a fictional work, everything is up for grabs.

I rarely spend so much time over a blog post, and I rarely delete as much as I have on this one to avoid casting stones. I live in as much of a glass house as anyone, and I'm personally a bit shy of stones. I gave a reasoned response to someone I considered a friend yesterday and received a thrown stone in return. *sigh* Maybe next week will be better.
I gave a reasoned response to someone I considered a friend yesterday and received a thrown stone in return.

Oh, that's frustrating, when you try to be reasonable and someone isn't the same in return.
I almost fell to that level myself, really had to work on reeling myself back. Not that I'm rising above, more that I refuse to step into the pothole. I know that life will return to normal again, and that I will want to look back on this as just one more incidence in a relationship that has certainly been topsy-turvy over the past few months. I don't want to look back on my own reactions with regret for any venom I might have spewed. When I do allow myself to get angry, that's when people try to get out of the room. I don't need the spike in my blood pressure or the possible repercussions of losing my temper over something so silly as an opinion on one of my pieces of fiction.

Thanks for your comments. As I recall, you were having a bit of a bad turn yesterday. I hope things are going better for you now :-)

- Erulisse (one L)
losing my temper over something so silly as an opinion on one of my pieces of fiction.

Sometimes I find it particularly difficult when it's to do with writing, because it's something that's rather close to my heart. But, yes - I can totally understand not wanting to say anything that would make for regret down the road.

Things are settling down, I think. Today and yesterday were all right, so that's a good start. Merci. ♥
Hi, 1L, I've just browsed through the debate and wished to give you my take on the matter.

I don't see what's been said as a thrown stone. Your vision, once you explained it, has been respected, each of us have our own and as you say, they are all equally valid. The controversial point was, I believe, if drabbles are the best format to tell a story, which in this case is rather complex. I believe I may have touched on this point myself in the past regarding one of your previous fics. If there's more to be said, why keep it to 100 words?

Our writing group is serious about writing good fic. There is no flaming, good banter and everyone has a genuine wish to help each other. You know how a written comment may be seen differently as the same words spoken face-to-face.

I would just ask you to see any comments you receive as the feedback you've asked for. Believe me, I've been stung many times about harsh words about my fics, but they were always well meant. I learnt and moved on.

My two pennies!

Edited at 2012-01-14 05:22 pm (UTC)
If there's more to be said, why keep it to 100 words?

Or even three thousand. :D

I don't read drabbles, at least not in the Tolkien fandom. I've looked at one or two, and want the other 100,000 words d;-) (I wink but I'm serious.) I do enjoy one-shots, vignettes or short fics that fit in with a larger 'verse very much, as they add more to something I am already enjoying.

The purpose of the drabble is brevity, testing the author's ability to express interesting and meaningful ideas in an extremely confined space.

All very well, but I do not want an author to practice brevity if they have a good story to tell. I want to read a humungous great doorstop of a novel.
I just don't see why a writer would want to limit themselves to 100 words. It's awfully confining.

Edited at 2012-01-14 08:18 pm (UTC)
I'm 100% with you! I hate getting to the end of a good story. But my point is that unless there's a very limited scope or duration of an event, or a very striking moment to capture, it's difficult to condense a story in a drabble, which is ultimately a very artificial limit. Why 100 words, why not 256, or 144?

I find it very difficult to say what's good or not good about a drabble, for the same reason that I never enjoyed poetry, though I love the play with words you may discover in it. On the other hand, I love doorstop novels.

it's difficult to condense a story in a drabble, which is ultimately a very artificial limit. Why 100 words, why not 256, or 144?

Yes, I don't get it at all. Must have story, naow!
I don't even know why they're popular. I just want to write, but then I do hate anything that constricts me (including prompts or exchanges, which is why I don't do them.)
I'm gonna be a Devil's Advocate here, mostly because I happen to like the drabble...

*Devil's Advocate cap ON*

When I write one, I'm not trying to write a whole story. The One knows that I can be as wordy and intricate a storyteller as the best of 'em. However, in a drabble, I'm only trying to capture a pivotal moment, or maybe a pair of pivotal moments. Within a fan fiction setting, a lot of the things that otherwise would need exposition are already presumed understood on the part of the reader - so there's a lot of "padding" not needed.

However, that being said, I find that some of those pivotal moments simply refuse to allow themselves to fit within a mere 100 words. That's why I am more than willing to write double-drabbles, or even tribbles. The idea of a drabble is to give the most emotionally potent picture possible in as succinct a manner as possible. It can be done, and it can be VERY powerful that way.

YMMV. But as an exercise in using precise language, nothing can beat writing drabbles.

*now doffing Devil's Advocate cap and running for the hills*
It may be different for people who enjoy writing drabbles, but drabbles, or even tribbles, are simply not what I want to read. They do not remain with me as certain scenes in novels do.
That's OK, Spiced, lots of people don't like drabbles. I'll continue to write longer pieces too so that you have things you enjoy reading also :-) *hugs*

- Erulisse (one L)
I'm used to thinking on the opposite side of the norm. I also love writing poetry. The entire idea of compressing one slide of time and a scene into a mere 100 words just appeals to me. It's those multi-chaptered, multi-word epics such as both of you write so very well that completely stop me in my tracks. It'll be OK. We'll either work it our or not, but it won't stop my writing and won't stop my asking for crit on my drabbles.

Thanks and hugs to both of you. I'm sure things will look 1000% better after I catch up on some sleep (it would be really nice if my DH could start feeling better too *sigh*).

- Erulisse (one L)
I began writing with poetry when I was ten. I simply found that what I wanted to do was write stories. Coming from o-fic to fanfic also affected what I look for in fanfiction: sweeping, heretical 'verses.

And speaking of which, I think Ziggy has just updated. What a great start to the morning!
Oh great! An update by Ziggy, and the opportunity to maybe catch up on some chapters by you (sorry, my holiday season was a total zoo of work/sleep/get up and do it again). It seems that I have a nice Sunday ahead of me :-)

- Erulisse (one L)
LOL - I've done fixed word fictlets also. I think the last one I did was some 246 words in length, something like that anyway. It's a fun challenge for me.


- Erulisse (one L)
Man, you have had a tough week!!

I'm so sorry you had someone lash back at a piece of concrit. That can be really hard, especially if they asked for your help and honesty. You may want to reconsider beta'ing for that person again; and if asked, let them know why.

Oh, they didn't lash out at my crit, they concritted a piece of my own, but rather than criticizing the story, they criticized the format. So instead of telling me what worked and what didn't about the story, they criticized the fact that I made the story a drabble.

It's a matter of priorities. They aren't wrong, per se. I wrote a drabble that happened to be this story. They read a story that happened to be a drabble. Drabble #1 in my priorities, story #2. They felt that should be switched. It's OK, just not what I really needed/wanted crit on.

Next week will be better (I hope).

- Erulisse (one L)
Thanks for the hugs, sweetie.

I wrote a couple of novels before daring to write drabbles. I love reading drabbles and the sensation of pure joy a good one brings.
I hope your husband is feeling better. Sorry to hear you have had a trying week.
He seems to be feeling better today, we'll see how long he can stay up and be functional today. It was an extremely trying week!

- Erulisse (one L)